A number of folks weighed in on yesterday's thirsty concerning tenure. A number of folks without tenure hollered things like - "DON'T LEAVE...HANG IN THERE...TENURE *is* THE GRAIL." That sort of thing. But since the thirsty t-t-er wanted to hear from tenured folks, we limited the pool and chose the following posts for some flava:
- Not only did I set a tenure clock back, I gave up tenure completely in order to move into a "better" situation. Everyone told me not to do it, but I simply wanted new challenges. It wasn't easy, and part of the challenge was convincing other schools that I wasn't some raving lunatic. "You HAVE tenure?" they always asked at interviews as if I was turning a golden goose into the street. The truth is that tenure is delicious. It was a freeing couple of years after I first got it. I fought hard in the academic senate, did what I knew was best for my department, and the safety of tenure helped me be a better prof. But in the end I felt lost in the town and the institution, and I just wanted different grass...not necessarily greener. So, while you have invested some time at your institution, I don't think setting a tenure clock back should stop you. If you want to accomplish something else, go somewhere else, letting go of those dreams and slouching toward tenure is never going to set aside that gnawing "What if?" that will follow you.
The value of tenure is a confusing topic to those who don’t have it, but essential to the functioning of the academy. When educators become at will employees they lose the freedom to address controversial and challenging topics with their classes. Yes, you can do this without tenure, but you are always under the Doom of Damocles if a student complains or the Dean has a differing view of the world than you. Tenure doesn’t protect you from being fired, it just protects you from being fired without an actionable cause (insubordination, failure to do your job, etc.). For a truly good career move it is valid to reset the tenure clock, but it isn’t taken lightly.- I faced exactly your choice 23 years ago. I was happy enough at a non-PhD program where I knew I'd get tenure but got the chance to move to one of the top programs in my field where tenure was not at all assured. For me the choice was easy: I asked myself whether, when I was 50, I'd rather look back and know that I'd had the chance for the big time and was afraid to take it, or that I'd taken a risk and had failed. I knew I wanted to take the risk: I'd rather risk failure than know I was afraid to try. It was pretty stressful for a few years and for a while it looked like I wasn't going to make it, but then things fell into place and I earned tenure. So as it worked out, I got what I wanted and I've been very happy. But I did not know it would work out when I made the choice. I knew I had skills that would make me employable if an academic career didn't work out and my spouse (who left a job to move with me) also had marketable skills; we made the decision jointly and knew what we'd do next if the risk did not pay off and I did not get tenure.
- While I was an assistant, I spent a lot of time looking for better jobs and once came very close to moving up to an R1 from my regional school. Over the last fifteen years, I have watched that R1 department hire and then fire or drive out five different people. So, jumpers beware. After I got tenure, I applied for a few things and was even offered a job in the part of the country I come from but just couldn’t see that it was going to make my life that much better so I stayed put. I’m not sorry. I’m a full prof who’s been at the same place now for twenty years. I work in a collegial department at a university without too much administrative bullshit. My students are average to good & I teach a nine hour load, usually with two preps. I have a lot of autonomy – choose my own books for intro classes, choose when I teach, etc. – and that autonomy makes me more willing to put in service on committees, faculty senate, and other things that contribute to the institution. On the other hand, I have very few majors, no graduate students, and not many colleagues in my academic area. I’ve probably done less publishing than I would have in a more high-powered place. When I go to conferences I don’t need to be ashamed of my work, but sometimes I feel as if I gave up on ambition in favor of comfort; on the other hand, now that I’m less than ten years out from retirement (if the market rebounds a bit) comfort doesn’t look so bad. (If the market doesn’t rebound, they’ll haul me out of my office tits-up one fine day because they can’t fire me.) Oh, and don’t give me any of that deadwood crap unless you’re talking about the TV show – I work hard as a teacher and bring new material to my classes every time I teach them. Finally, I’m now in a position to assist younger colleagues navigate the eddies and shoals of the tenure process. I am amazed at the intellectual vitality and enthusiasm of my younger colleagues and if I manage to get them to stick around after I leave, that will be a legacy I can be proud of.
- First, remember that a big part of the mystique of tenure is that if you *don't* get it, you're out of a job. And beware of the "grass-is-always-greener" syndrome. But if you think you're being pretty rational about the relative benefits of the new job, and if you think you'd have at least as good a shot of getting tenure there as where you are, there is not much to lose by applying. You say you've "found another job"--have you applied, have you been interviewed, or do you already have an offer for that job? I always say go ahead and apply--you'll know a *lot* more about the cost/benefit comparison after an interview, especially with some years of T/T experience already behind you (giving you a better idea of what to look for, and making you much more aware of warning flags than you were a few years ago.) Don't be a dilettante, but be willing to take a risk and go for something you want.

























































































